Directed by Steve Collins. Ain't no woman like the one I've got for I've got I was either knocked out or I’ve got a blank spot I'll play the hand I've got I've got 20 casings, they're primed, they've been resized I've got a bone to pick I've got a few days off next week. ", which could be one reason why "Have milk?" It's standard and is a completely different usage than what's being discussed here. His company's got an important contract which has to be finalised this week, so they've got a lot of work on. "Must" is not exactly equivalent to "have got to" - it conveys more of a sense of urgency or personal obligation, and the negative "mustn't" is certainly not the same as "haven't got to". Actually I think I do know the answer; people think it somehow has something to do with "get" as in "obtain, acquire, buy" etc. But sometimes the pressure can be a bit much. :), 4 votes You are all pulling at hairs. If you hear an American speaking, we (*should*) normally use 'have got' for present tense and 'have gotten' for the present perfect (I've got the book -- present possession vs. In English there are often many ways of expressing the same concept; I think that's a good thing. The answer to your question is yes and no. AH! As one linguist has put it, "informal is normal". normal) doesn't mean incorrect. I've got you under my skin. Most of us use redundancy the whole time in spoken language. BRISBANE - Australia has never been the maker of its own history. Whereas "I have AIDS," is not subject to that weakness. Save. Informal often sounds more natural and friendly and less stuffy; informal = normal. Know the rules so you can manipulate them. The term subjective usually applies only to pronouns (as in subjective case), and 'I' is subjective in both 'I have' and 'I've got', so I'm not quite sure what your point is there. Would you suggest we only ever use "huge" because it's shorter than the alternatives? "Not only that, but the tone of voice in general is different, I don't know how to explain it through text but there is a clear difference between where people in Britain and people in the US will stress words to ask a question, the British version sounding more like a statement than a question. It's a matter of horses for courses. i.e. If it gets my feeling across, I will say it until I die. (both are absolutely normal in London and Yorkshire dialect respectively, but are considered non-standard. Facebook: I’ve Got A Beatles Podcast. "I don't buy this argument. The only time it's used in AmE without have being contracted is when one wants to express that the action is critical (e.g. OTOH, "You'v got the book? and "Did you get any milk? My point is, I don't care if it's wrong or not. Well, you're all wrong : It should obviously be "I have getted". While I do strive to avoid the use of "I have got" or even "I've got", I must admit that I do occasionally slip up! @WW - dour is also known in England, but usually pronounced differently; wee is no doubt pretty universal. Thanks again for your support and for listening! It's not rocket science. It is worth noting that the simple past may be used with present implication - "We (Chinese) invented fireworks." Both are correct, but still different. Correct is "I have to go" I have to call.. etc. It was written for the twenty-first edition of the Cotton Club series which opened on October 23, 1932, the first of the Cotton Club Parades. - "Hey, I've just got myself a new tablet!". ", "Luckily he's got a good job to pay for all the upkeep. Boots and fur-lined leather coat. While both words have more than one meaning, let's compare "to have" meaning "to possess", with "to get", meaning "to receive". Remember in American English the verb goes 'get got gotten' but in the UK this old form has been dropped and the verb is 'get got got.'. Report Abuse. As I said before, benoting "gotten" helps to clear up whether one means "have" or "received". If we didn't have Standard English, what would linguists mean when they say that an utterance such as 'I ain't never seen him' or 'He were in t'pub' are non-standard? I've Got You Under My Skin by Mary Higgins Clark is a thrilling and beautifully written crime mystery about a widowed mother and her son haunted by a nightmare. 'I got a car' (get) is a red herring; it has nothing to do with 'I've got a car' (have got), full stop. "I got," on the other hand, should be used for things an individual recently obtained. Much of linguist David Crystal's 'The Stories of English' is about how this standard came about. I don't consider that redundancy. "I've Got a Life" returned Eurythmics to the Top 40 in the UK singles chart for the twenty-fourth time, hitting number fourteen. @Skeeter Lewis - What is a plain man to think? A deputy responds to an APB regarding an elderly man who has gone missing from the local nursing home. Permalink Problem is it isn’t in my Webster’s Collegiate or the online Merriam–Webster.com but both references define got as past and past participle of get. Well, one of the other adults attacked me for saying, "I got." (notice either way,it is past tense) If you know of a legitimate reference that goes further, let me know. To celebrate our 175th episode, we take audience questions from our listeners. "Got" is the simple past tense and as mentioned above, "have got" is the present perfect. It just doesn't work. Scyllacat:"But in speech, it's ordinary, common idiom, nothing to worry about. It's the language that's used in education, the media and publishing, and in my field, language teaching. The only difference is grammatical - we can only use "have got" in present simple - and one of formality. Funny, though, I hadn't ever used it until I heard someone else use it to stress something. Here is Swan, in Practical English Usage, the "bible" for many EFL teachers and students - "Note that 'have got' means exactly the same as 'have' in this case (possession, relationships, illnesses characteristics etc)". Use it. I've Got to Go; I've Got to Go I've gotten the book -- present perfect meaning I've already obtained it). Permalink It's not much of a stretch to use the present perfect to refer to actions in the present. Pah! With Garry Moore, Henry Morgan, Bill Cullen, Betsy Palmer. Permalink I've Got Love Lyrics: I've got love / I've got a heart that's learnt to sing / Who needs another single thing? Dr. Johnson said: 'He has good a good estate' does not always mean that he has acquired, but barely that he possesses it. I said to myself: this affair never will go so well. The only difference is that the "got" versions are more informal. You're absolutely right that 'got' conveys no extra meaning, which has certainly confused some people, but it does suggest a difference in register. The same would be true of its use in the second or third person. Both are acceptable forms and there is no grammatical explanation for a preference in either usage. Forget present perfect, it has nothing to do with it. @Jackbox - my 'full stop' was meant to be an ironic reply to @Jim's 'period'. Yesterday I musted to entertain a new client and tomorrow I'll must go on a business trip"? That's why you'll find it listed in learner's dictionaries under "have" rather than under "get". See comment above), but @Jim, please look under 'have got', not 'got', which is something completely different. 8. @jayles - OK, we can agree on something, at least. Oddly, until now, I'd assumed it was Southern, cuz that's where I stay. Yous need any? Permalink @Kernel Sanders - I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about these nuanced differences. "Is there not a redundancy in the use of 'got' with 'have'?". Still, writing for those whose prose inclines more to primness than to colloquialisms, and who are not likely to overdo the use of 'got', we advise them not to be afraid of it. I did not expect so much debate on this.My own feeling is that "I have" is a bit more elegant than "I have got". There are instances where "I have" and I have got" mean the same thing. The simple answer is that "I have" is more commonly used in written English and "I've got" is more commonly used in spoken English. And we can only do so in the present; for everything else we also need to use "have" and "have to". It may convey surprise, indicate interest, or (with a flat or falling intonation) suggest disinterest. Ok, this really shouldn't be all that hard to understand. @Hairy Scot - Yes, when we want to be more formal or use more elegant language, we use "have", "have to" and standard passive, but in British English, most of us prefer to use good old-fashioned idiomatic "have got" for possession and "have got to" for obligation in normal conversational English. @HS - Why on earth anyone would want to avoid perfectly good idiomatic English is beyond me, but I suppose it was a joke. Many, if not most, Americans are confused by the tense and do not use it consistently - in fact many are very weak when it comes to perfect tenses, possibly due to high levels of immigration and the strong influence of the large number of early German settlers. But there's another, much simpler reason it would sound ridiculous - we just don't often elide sentences (miss words out) with "have" - "Have a car?" which has present implication. Linguists discuss Standard English at University College London: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dick/standard.htm, Standard British English, grammar.about.com;http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/standbriteterm.htm, The Columbia Guide to Standard American English:http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-Guide-Standard-American-English/dp/0231069898, BBC / British Council - American vs Standard British English:http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blogs/marcc22/american-versus-standard-british-english, British-domiciled American Linguist's blog comparing the two standards:http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/. @joeydqI agree with you.The example you quote shows that some of the explanations given in justification of the use of "have got" are utter nonsense.Furthermore, why use 2 words when one will do the job better. And there is also Standard Scottish English (SSE), a variant of Standard British English, which is to say "the characteristic speech of the professional class [in Scotland] and the accepted norm in schools" (and in the media), especially where it differs from Standard British English. Got and have are often about possession, and the fact is we posses many things that are not located near us. "Have got" is simply an idiomatic version of "have" for possession, no more, no less. It's an extra word that conveys no additional meaning. And I agree that in formal writing 'I have' is more appropriate. PPS I also want to acknowledge that we do use got to and gotta (improperly) without have in the US, myself included. It's simply an idiomatic version of 'I have' which can only be used in the present; for other times we need to use 'have'. What's more British course books don't "make a huge fuss" about "have got to", they simply let foreign students know that British native speakers will often use this. Interestingly, in Poland, formal English is not the problem, as the use of Polish in business is relatively formal. Permalink I've got a body. The English language (as with pretty much any language) is filled with examples of multiple ways of expressing the same idea. On 'Judge Judy' for example witnesses habitually use the past perfect tense 'I had gone' as a kind of formal simple past tense to mean 'I went.'. Americans more often say, for instance, "I have a meeting this afternoon." So in most of the situations that most of us use English, there is absolutely no need to leave out 'got', and 'have got' is just as 'correct' as 'have'. In the French language, for example, the present perfect doesn't exist - rather they use a simple present. SSE has certain pronunciation features (such as rolled Rs) and some distinct vocabulary that wouldn't necessarily be understood in England: bap - soft, floury morning rollburn - brook, streamclype - (verb and noun) - to tell or inform on somebody, the person who does itcrabit - grumpycrowdie - cottage cheesedo the messages - do the shoppingdour - (pronounced do-er) glum, serious - but now pretty well-known outwith Scotlanddreich - dull, overcast, miserablefish / pie supper - fish / pie and chips (fries)guttered - very drunkheavy (a pint of) - vaguely equivalent to a pint of bitter (traditional dark ale) in Englandloch - lakeoutwith - not part of, outsidepeely-wally - pale, off-colourpinkie - little fingertatties - potatoeswee - smallwheesht! The same with passive "got": this is an informal construction. 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